Roger talks Temporary Immovable Obstructions, Player with a 7 tournament win streak & 1/3 of the Criminal Justice Wrestling Trio

Speaker 1: 0:45

Hey, chris. Good to see you, bud. Likewise, it's always great to come on on the episodes and have a chat with you. I know I've gotten nothing but good responses from you, ragging me on the last one, so we'll see how this one goes Well well, again, you know, we've got two, two really good guests.

Speaker 2: 1:03

Obviously, uh, Roger's gonna come on and give us some information about some rules, One that I was really confused on. You know the whole scenario and we'll let him kind of play it out. And then we have a very special guest we're gonna combine professional wrestling with golf. So just kind of hang tight with us and Uh see how it goes.

Speaker 2: 1:21

Yeah let's get it going. Let's get started. Welcome to the golf week amateur tour of the podcast. We are your hosts, tim Newman and Chris Rocha. As the oldest and largest amateur golf tour in the country, we put on individual stroke play golf tournaments that are handicapped by flights in 48 markets across the country. The golf week amateur tour, where hammers play like pros.

Speaker 1: 2:19

Tim, welcome back. I know you had uh, I believe he had some events this past weekend. Well, I was able to relax a little bit out of the events go.

Speaker 2: 2:27

Well, the the uh jim mucs event was was great. You know, I knew we love that facility there. I think they really treat us nice. You know, we we stayed in the uh uh no real, real nice condo there. It was great, um, good scores. We actually had a a sea flight player, you know, shoot his lowest round ever. That actually went to the handicap committee and it's kind of kind of funny about that because Me and that player have had conversations for years about handicaps and and how we monitor them and and uh, when they're, when they get looked at, and those types of conversations. And when I saw a score, I, when I had to tell them I said you know, steve, just need to understand you. Shop below the.

Speaker 2: 3:10

The range and I've got to submit you. Um, obviously I'm gonna advocate for you and then that. But uh, um, that's, that's just kind of kind of how it goes and you know he understood he.

Speaker 2: 3:20

Obviously he was a little upset because you know he's one that kind of monitors it for other people and and now now it was on him. So I'm glad it worked out. He didn't get disqualified. Good, primarily because you know that was his lowest score ever and you know we we have have a long history, you know, on him and and actually for the sea flight, for whatever reason, at that course we had the top six players shot under a sea flight ring Index, so all of them were under 14 right, and you know all the other flights you know we may, we may have had one that was, you know, not out of range but maybe below the the uh, you know the limit for each flight, but I just thought that was, that was kind of kind of strange and and uh, and anomaly.

Speaker 1: 4:09

Yeah, it's usually crazy how it works out Um, I don't think, or you know, sometimes the players don't understand how it works out Um, but it's good that you know it worked in his favor, and I mean to have your low score count is always nice, absolutely, absolutely Well, I mean, as we, as we get this episode started, I mean we have our favorite guest on once again To cover his rule segment. So let's welcome in Roger. Roger, how you doing.

Speaker 3: 4:37

Hey, I'm doing great favorite guests. I don't know about that. Some Better check with some other players. Sometimes I'm the least favorite guy they want to speak to. But uh, uh, Roger, I've never heard that, but yeah yeah.

Speaker 3: 4:51

I'm doing, doing great. Yeah, played last weekend at that two-day event, golden horseshoe. Uh got out with some friends, so I'm doing fine. Thanks, and Chris. I want to say congrats. Uh listening to podcast last last podcast you shoot some shots and great scores, so congrats to your game improving as well. Maybe we'll compete, compete together someday. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1: 5:13

I appreciate it. It's been a grind and it's actually been kind of fun that, uh, tim kind of looks at my scores, I mean kind of have a little talk about it, because it's kind of tracking how the improvement's been going. So it's been a lot of fun. I can't wait to Revisit the goal segment I had at the beginning of the year and see if I accomplish any goals or not, because I haven't really looked at it since then.

Speaker 3: 5:34

Yeah, that's right, I remember you guys did that episode. I should have done that my year, this year myself, but uh, maybe next year. Yeah, well, chris, I it is fun to watch.

Speaker 2: 5:42

You know, uh, your progress. You're not the only one that I watch, but, uh, you know, when you're having a good round, you know I want to text you and I said, no, I'll hold off until until the end, but there's some guys that they're playing well, that I'll text in the middle of the round, and then they'll text you back, and so why? Why bother me? You should be playing golf, not, not? Not the look at your phone, right, right it's.

Speaker 1: 6:03

uh, sometimes it's it's great, um, but as the director, when we have to check everything else, that it can get distracting and it's cost me a tournament or two, but it's something I got to learn to get over and, uh, maybe get a little bit better at that. Oh, baby steps, I mean you look at how far you've come in just just a year.

Speaker 2: 6:22

So I mean you're you're doing really well, all right. So I'm gonna go ahead and say you know. I'm gonna go ahead and say you know. I'm gonna go ahead and say you know, although you know the last two episodes we've had, somebody has suggested that you just buy a new putter. I'm not sure if you want to do that or or just keep the one you got. So we'll see.

Speaker 1: 6:42

I'll keep the one I have for now, but putters aren't cheap. Let's get into the into the rules part of it, you know. So we were talking, I know, through email, about um, a rule that that came up that we had a question about. I know you took some time to go into research, so why don't we give you the floor, uh, and go ahead and go over that?

Speaker 3: 7:00

So I I do appreciate these sessions myself because it does keep me on my toes about things and Something that we don't deal with on our tour very much because we don't have these as much our temporary immovable obstructions, and we see these on tv all the time. They could be grandstands, they could be tv towers, they could be uh, you know, I had tents, all of these type of things, which the only thing I could think of maybe in our tour we will set up, like our tour director Lyle, he might set up his tent and he'll set up some things, and temporary immovable obstructions aren't normally placed there, but they're can. They're different than just regular immovable obstructions because they're not a normal part of the course, but they are considered immovable while they're there, but they're just temporary. So that's basically the definition of temporary immovable obstructions, right? But? But they do afford the player some different relief options than a regular immovable obstruction.

Speaker 3: 8:07

And what I mean by that is you could have, just like an immovable obstruction, like a cart path or a shed or a utility box, physical interference from that temporary immovable obstruction. You know your, your um club, your stance, your swing, so just think of that as the same as an immovable obstruction. But then the big thing is the line of sight interference, that that temporary immovable obstruction Is in your line of sight from where your ball lays and the hole itself and you're behind it and it's in your line of play or both. You could have both on there. So, uh, is that clear on that part of it?

Speaker 2: 8:52

Yeah, I got that.

Speaker 3: 8:53

Yeah, okay, so you get relief you can take just for a temporary removal. A ti is what they're short, so I'm just going to say ti o from an app here on out. A ti o, you can take the same reliefs that you would have for an immovable obstruction, if you choose to. So, choose so, so you would find your closest point of release From the physical interference. Then you get a full club length from that point and play on. So you can have line of sight interference where your stance and your swing are fine, that the interference doesn't, but it's seeing the hole. That temporary ti o is in your way. And One of the things you have to think of is, let's say you spray one way to the right. To get temporary Interf excuse me to get Relief from a ti o, you have to be able to reach that ti o. So let's say you spray one to the right but that temporary immovable obstruction is 400 yards away, even though it might be in your line of sight. If you can't reach that temporary immovable obstruction with your stroke, so you, you are not granted relief. That's one thing you have to keep in mind. But most of the time when we see this it's when the player can reach that temporary immovable obstruction Either reach it or go over it or around it that you are going to be able to get relief.

Speaker 3: 10:20

Now, what happened on tour was Justin Thomas was behind a tree, for one thing, and although the line of sight Was the uh, temporary ti o was in his line of sight, what the official determined was he did not see any way that Justin would be able to shape a shot that would be able to Go around this tree in such a manner that the temporary immovable obstruction would be in his way, because he would have had to hit hit, say, a big. I guess it would have been a draw for him and for him to go around, and his line of play Didn't have anything to do with that temporary immovable obstruction. So he wasn't granted relief, even though it was in his line of sight. You also have to indicate you have to have a reasonable chance of hitting a shot that that temporary immovable obstruction would be in your way. So it could be 20 feet from you, but if, if you're behind a bush or a tree and you still can take a swing at it, but that swing is going to, you're going to have to do a 90 degree turn to get around that, then you're not going to get relief.

Speaker 3: 11:38

So it's basically unreasonable for you to be able to take Relief from the temporary immovable obstruction, because it's really not A play that you can make. Now, if it's right in your way, you're going to take a straight shot. The temporary immovable obstruction is right. You know You're going to take a straight shot to the hole and it's right there in front of you. Then, yes, you get to move your ball so that that line of sight interference does not exist anymore, so that you can see the hole, and that it might mean you have to move. You know, if it's a big grandstand or something, you might get to move quite a bit away from that, from that line that you were going to play originally.

Speaker 2: 12:18

So, so, so that that explanation, roger, to me makes a lot of sense. And you know, when I read, read the article and, like I said, I didn't see, see this going on, it didn't really make a whole lot of sense to me what they, what they were saying. So it seems to me that you know, if we go back to one of our first conversations, you know, if you know the rules and you can use them to actually to your benefit, if he could have done that, then they could have moved him away from that tree. Would he still have to hit that shot, that?

Speaker 3: 12:48

so you know. So they, they. This is a In the room in the uh, there's. So this is, this is covered by the way under in model local rule f23, and there's actually, let me see here 13 pages on just this one Local rule. And this is considered a local rule. So he has to make. He can't take a Uh, unreasonable stance or an unreasonable swing to get the Relief it has to be. They use this word reasonable, which is not used a whole lot in the rules of golf book, but they can. They use this a couple times in this 13, 16 pages that it has to be reasonable. So it can't be something just so out of the ordinary that One in a million chance that he's going to be able to pull off this shot, that kind of thing. And that's, I think, what.

Speaker 3: 13:41

The another thing that this rules official, ruled that it would have taken an extraordinary effort. You know, I'll say, you know tiger woods, he wouldn't even been able to pull it off that kind of thing, right? So yeah, um, and the other thing to consider also is let's say your ball is in the middle of a bush, you couldn't end the temporary end. Let's say that's all there was. There was a bush and then the temporary moveable destruction was in your line of sight from that foot. Let's say the bush is 10 feet wide and your ball is in the middle of it. So there's just no way you're even going to be able to take the stroke.

Speaker 3: 14:23

Anyway, even though that temporary moveable destruction is in your line of sight, you're not granted relief because there's no way you would have been able to take a shot. Anyway, if you're in the middle of a 10 foot wide bush, you'd have to take an unplayable basically. So that's another key point of that rule. You can't just take it because it happens to be there. You have to have a reasonable shot at taking a stroke, taking a stance, the whole thing. And, like I said, it isn't just the line of sight, it's whether it touches. It could be on or in, like consider the ball in a grandstand, the seats where everybody sits, it could be in one of those. So you get relief touches or is within where you're swing your intended swing that you might hit the immoveable destruction, the temporary instruction.

Speaker 1: 15:18

I don't know about you, tim, but I don't recall the last time I played with grandstands, so I don't know. I might have to worry about this.

Speaker 2: 15:27

It's been a while. Chris, this is one place you want to play, so we played in Innisbrook a number of years ago, where they still had the grandstands up from the DJ tour.

Speaker 3: 15:39

Wow, nice, I say, we get them for down, for nationals, you know, get all the families down there.

Speaker 3: 15:45

Having around the 18th green? Yeah, that would be pretty cool. So that is. You see that on TV pretty often Every week you'll see somebody getting relief for a TIO. But yeah, it's not one that I deal with that much anymore because even in, like our local events or the amateur events, we don't have too much of that. We might, you know, even you don't have TV coverage. You know, and that's another big part of it, you get all the TV stands around that cause that rule to come into effect. So I hope that clears it up.

Speaker 2: 16:18

Yeah, that's good, Roger. Thanks for that. Do you have any other support?

Speaker 3: 16:23

Yeah, so I played Golden Horse Shoe. It was two day regional we had you guys would appreciate this. We had over 50 players in the B-Flight alone and I think Lyle said it was the biggest regional that he's ever been involved with. I think there was like 168 of us, but anyway. So Golden Horse Shoe has Island Green I think it might have two of them and this not only happened to me but happened to a couple of players.

Speaker 3: 16:54

Lyle instituted a local rule which the committee, which would be Lyle, can put in, and although balls were hit into the water, it might have even hit the green and rolled into the water, hit over the green into the water. He instituted a rule where you basically had to use the drop area that he designated and other than stroking distance from the T-Box, and a few players got upset I'll just say it like that because I don't know that. I didn't see these other players but their ball, they would have had a closer shot. Let's just put it that way. But you can, as a local rule, enforce that a designated drop area must be used if you aren't using stroking distance, meaning hitting from the T-Box.

Speaker 3: 17:47

Again, and it was just an interesting one, it happened to me. I overshot the green one time and I saw where my ball went in and I thought, well, I'm just going to drop up there. But then Lyle actually happened to be and some others watching the hole, just because it was fun for them. They were done with their round or they were playing in the afternoon.

Speaker 3: 18:08

And of course, I had birdied the hole before that. All three of the guys I was playing with hit the green and then I hit over the green. So I was like, well, I'm going to drop over here, and Lyle said, no, you got to use the drop area. And then I saw that that was so that's just an interesting thing. That happened that a don't be surprised if you are limited to using a drop area on some holes, and it doesn't have to be a par three, I mean, it doesn't have to be a hole, it could be any hole. Really. There's a designated drop area that they put that local rule into. So that was the other one that I thought was pretty interesting because it happened to a number of players.

Speaker 2: 18:47

Yeah, I have not come across that one before. You know, generally we don't. You know across the tour we don't use drop zones anyway, unless it's, unless you really kind of have to.

Speaker 3: 18:58

Yeah, and this one it was a green where there's very little places to even drop. But it was also a pace of play issue, because I don't know if you've ever played Golden Horse shoot. It's a big downhill Like it's like, let's say, it's 140 yards, it really plays like 100 because it's so downhill and for somebody to go down there and then go back, and also it was kind of done for a pace of play as well, right, yeah, so it was a good. It was another good one that came up for that tournament.

Speaker 2: 19:28

Yeah, I'm sure Lyon and the rest of his crew were there and some money was exchanged in hands.

Speaker 3: 19:35

Oh, yeah, one of those coming through.

Speaker 3: 19:38

I will say a funny thing that happened on, just interesting. You never know what's going to happen on tour and you know we talk about this tour. The tour is for a game for everybody. A guy in my group today he wasn't having a great day. We got to the 18th hall. It was a par three Decent distance, it was like 145. He was down for the day and, you know, nothing was going right. Of course he birdies the 18th hall and we thinking another player says well, guess what? You just got a super skin. It was his last shot, last roll of the day, and not only did he get the flight skin, but he gets a super skin and we were just all so happy for him, because you just never know what's going to happen on tour.

Speaker 2: 20:22

Yeah, good for him, you know, and it's a great way to end it, because he doesn't go home with a sour taste as well.

Speaker 3: 20:30

Right, right, so it was good. So that was it for me today. I really appreciate you guys having me on. I've really enjoyed these sessions and, like I said, it's a good refresher for me for some of these as well.

Speaker 2: 20:42

Well, we appreciate your time, Roger, and your insights are always great. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3: 20:46

Thanks guys.

Speaker 1: 20:47

Thank you, Chris. Have a good one, tim, I mean it when I say that the idea of having Roger on our podcast has been tremendous knowledge for all of us. I mean even you know you may not play in a tournament where there's grandstands or things like that, but watching it on TV and knowing why this is happening or why this is not happening could make that viewing enjoyable.

Speaker 2: 21:29

Absolutely, and you know they've been different if I had seen what was going on. But when I saw the article and started reading it, you know when I said to you guys, I'm telling you I read the article three or four times and I still have a hard time. I have a hard time understanding what they were talking about. Until you know, roger, you know really kind of outlined, you know the process and why they did what they did.

Speaker 1: 21:53

Right, and I mean the rules can be interpreted so many different ways is. It's kind of hard for golf, I mean, because it's supposed to be a gentleman's game and we're supposed to all be able to police ourselves. So being able to kind of have something to reference is great. And I mean, like I've said before in numerous podcasts, you know that we've done. I've used some of his advice to help and I've also used it to hurt, so it hurt other people, right. Yeah, I mean it just it plays both ways. But it's good to be able to say, hey, you know, we talked about it here, or be able to look at it, or even as a director, you know, when you get the text message mid round of hey, what's going on with this, what does this work, and being able to have that answer quicker than having to Google it is nice as well.

Speaker 2: 22:45

Exactly, you know, like the one he just talked about. You know he had 13 pages of the ruling there. I mean, how are we going to get through that Right when we need to make a decision? You know, relatively quick. So, but again, Roger's awesome, Glad he's taking his time and sharing with us and sharing some knowledge with our members, For sure.

Speaker 2: 23:05

You know our next guest. You guys aren't even going to believe this, and I've known Ed for I don't know, three, four, five years, Four years, Four years, Is it four years? It is four years. Yeah, so you know, it's Edmund Rowe, D-flat player from Milwaukee. Ed, welcome to the show, bud.

Speaker 4: 23:27

Thank you, tim. It is a pleasure to be on the show with you and Chris and I want to say this right out at start the reason that I continue to play on this tour is a direct result of how you and Jen made me feel like part of the family. From my first tournament at Abbey Springs four years ago Up to this day, I have the tremendous, most tremendous amount of respect for you and Jen and this tour. I love this tour and it is a pleasure to compete on this tour and to be part of it and now, being an assistant director, this is my summer. This is what I love to do, and this tour all-for-weak amateur tour is my hope.

Speaker 2: 24:24

I really do appreciate those kind words and when Jen hears this, it's really going to make you know, touch her heart and make her happy. And I'm glad that what we do comes across, because we love the tour as well, we love our members, we love what we do. Tournament days are probably the best days of the week, sometimes Coming out and seeing you guys, seeing all of you, and having fun and those types of things. But you're having a really, really good year and I don't say this lightly. So you've played in 14 events this year 16.

Speaker 2: 25:07

I'll say 14 events in 16 rounds, 16 rounds, but you've won eight. You've won eight, and on top of that you also have a hole in one. So tell us what's going on this year.

Speaker 4: 25:24

You know, if I could explain it, I would. It's really, it's the heater of heaters. You know I started out the season just horribly. We played in St Louis in a 16 degree wind chill day, which was really brutal, didn't it snow? No, it didn't snow, but it was cold. It was I had to play on battery heated jacket. It was that bad Got to the round. No.

Speaker 2: 25:56

No.

Speaker 4: 26:00

No, yeah, no, I got through the round. It was cold, it didn't, didn't do all that well. I was like okay, and then played in the Chicago event at Piantini, didn't down, wasn't playing well. I played a tournament over in Michigan West, the East Lansing. In finished seconds, surprised myself because I didn't think I was doing all that well either.

Speaker 4: 26:27

And then, you know, we got into the first Milwaukee tournament and going into that tournament I said to myself, I said I'm not going to win this again. That would have been you know it was going to be four in a row if I'd won it. You know it was like, for whatever reason, I've won every single first tournament of the year for Milwaukee ever since I played the first one of the Abbey Springs. And you know it's, it's. You know I said Street finally ends this year. Well, I turned out, I won it. And then then the next one, I you know Mike Miller had the round of his life, beat me by eight shots. You know I was so happy for him. Mike, you've known Mike for a long time. I've been with Mike for years, and years, yeah.

Speaker 4: 27:11

You know, and he needed that breakthrough win. You really needed that breakthrough win for him and I was so happy for him. And then we got to the regional at Whistling Straits and just to survive back and and got a regional win which to me I thought I'd never get one of those ever. You know, never thought I'd be in contention in a regional. Uh got lucky and and had a great round at uh Black Wolf run. To start, never took driver out of my bag once. I get hybrid uh off the tee, every single move. Uh tee shot there and I started to do that the second day at Whistling Straits and then all of a sudden just began to fall apart. And then uh walked off the sixth hole. I was just, I was just discussing with myself and uh grabbed a bag of chips and a Gatorade and went to the R three seven and stuck one to about now it was about 20, 25 feet, drained it for birdie and I was like all of a sudden the light flipped around. We got to the next tee box. My Katie hands me the hybrid three. I said no, I want the driver and I began pounding drivers. The rest of it was amazing, you know. And then you know, 18, I hit a uh, you know, I hit a little baby driver to the top part of the landing zone on the right and then we shot it at like about 187 yards, thought about going for it for a second and then I looked at it and I said, well, it's no, let me aim about 155 yards out and try to put it in a little corner. And I hit the hybrid three or hybrid five of a life and it just was beautiful, landed there, chipped uh and then had a five footer uh to win that tournament.

Speaker 4: 29:05

Then we get to Harbor side a little bit later on and I'm playing with, uh, eddie Mallett, who's become a good friend of mine from Chicago tour, and I'm playing David Bush and we you were playing with David, yeah, I, yeah, I was actually playing with David. Wow, yeah, we had uh, just cause David knows I don't like going out late in Chicago, right, and so he put Eddie and I on that first one with him and I forget who the other player was from Chicago in the champ play and they hit Eddie hits one to about 12 feet on the fourth hole. It was like, okay, I'm, I'm hitting the the draw decently that day. So I figured, well, it's 108 yards, I've got nine iron, let's just try to put a draw and get it inside of his ball. And I hit the thing.

Speaker 4: 29:58

That started out really nice and it and a little draw and I thought, all right, this is. You know it's still get on the green and you know I have a pun for birdie. And all of a sudden you hear the other champ flower going oh my God, that thing is online, that might go. And it went in and I just like I jumped on David, but I I'd never had a hole in one of my life. I'd been close a few times and I kind of had been to the realization I might never get, you know, and but to get one, and to get one in a tournament on top of it, was the experience of a lifetime yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:41

That's awesome feeling, isn't?

Speaker 4: 30:41

it, yeah, it just.

Speaker 4: 30:44

And you know, never thought I'd ever get one and it was so amazing to do it, and do it in a tournament.

Speaker 4: 30:51

And then we had a couple of weeks off because I had I worked in American Family Championship before we played Brightondale and I hadn't picked up a club in like I don't know. I had to be over a week and I decided to go out to the range and as we're on the range, my wife is videotaping what I'm doing and I'm just I'm not hitting the ball very well and all of a sudden she comes up to me, says your back foot is pointed out, it's not lined up straight to the target, she's not a golf, but she's seen enough golf that is. You know, I watch it all the time at home, you know. And she, I turned and made that correction and all of a sudden I'm getting the ball decently and I've been on a run ever since it just, you know, it just seems like whenever I've needed to hit clutch shot, I've been able to come up big every time and it's I'm walking out to those shots with the utmost confidence.

Speaker 1: 31:53

No, I was saying I mean, that's what it needs is confidence, and once you have confidence over the ball and you're swinging, you'd be surprised on things you can do. I know that's helped me this year, so that's just awesome to hear and, like Tim said, when he sent me those scores I was like wow, that it's time to get moved up and start challenging yourself. But congrats on the same time.

Speaker 4: 32:18

Yeah, you know, and I did. I did play in sea flight a few years ago. You know distance will be, you know, would be much more of a challenge for me, because I don't get the driver. Maybe 185 to 200 yards, you know my game is more, you know, getting around the green, being able to putt decently and be able to chip decently. So we'll see. I mean, I had shot at the time. My best ever score in sea flight was 87 and I lost by six shots, you know. And then you see flight. I would have to be consistently 81, 82, 83 to be competitive in that flight.

Speaker 4: 33:20

So you know, if it happens, it happens. If I get moved up, I get moved up, but then we'll let the chips fall where they may. And but again, it's just, it's one of those years where everything I'm touching is turning to gold. It's, it's amazing. And I've got, you know, a great support for me and I've got, you know, a great support system at home. And I've got, you know, not only my friends on tour, but I've got friends on the Champions Tour who I'll reach out to every now and then. Len Matisse was one. Tom Gillis oh, wow, yeah, I mean after I won that first tournament to Abby Springs I actually got a congratulation message from on Twitter from Jerry Kelly. So yeah, I've gotten to know all these guys from working the 18th hole at Ampam for five years.

Speaker 2: 34:19

So you, you, you won your last event by one stroke and you know we kind of talk a little bit off, a little bit about it, of off air. I want to tell listeners on what happened and how you won that. And again, you know, like you said, offline you'll take charity anytime you want, anytime it's given. But tell us what happened.

Speaker 4: 34:43

Yeah. So we're playing Washington County and I started off terribly. I went triple double for his two of the rules and I was like all right, I thinking OK, this is not the day, kind of got myself back into a decent spot. I was four shots down at the turn. It's like I'm just going to keep trying to stay close to Bogey golf and kept just grinding and was playing decent. I made an all world Bogey save on 15 after having to take a drop off the tee shot that went into the jump and stuck a wedge to three feet. You know you had a really perfect wedge made, the putt made. Bogey was like OK, that's, that's good. Then I birdie number 17. They had the teas moved up a lot farther. Probably they should have been, but they were having a hurricane junior tournament right after us, so they had already gone ahead and made a shot. So they had already gone ahead and moved teas up. So you know we had a nice birdie bear. We get about halfway up 18. And I see that all of a sudden I'm in the lead by a shot. It's like whoa, wait, what happened here? And Mike Colburn, who was had the lead, had triple Bogey put the ball in the uh Fescue and took like three shots to get out of that Fescue on 17. So he triple Bogey. Now I'm one shot in the lead.

Speaker 4: 36:21

My tee shot at 18 and Tim, you know Washington County, there's the two bunkers that are on the left and I hit my drive and I kind of pushed a little bit left, but I hit it with such force it actually landed in the bunker, rolled up and out and popped up in between the two bunkers. Again, this is that you know horseshoe that I've had with me all year. Push the next shot right and flood the chip. But then, you know, got a nice little putt from off the green, left my side, me, double Bogey. It was like, okay, you know. Now I know Mike's got part of win. You know tie is a Bogey. So I'm thinking, all right, this is very well likely going to be in a playoff.

Speaker 4: 37:09

So I quick ran it, run to the clubhouse going hey, what you know whole are we going to have to go if we need a playoff Because of all the other stuff going on? And he was like, okay, we're going to send you off a 10. I was like, okay, I get back out to watch Mike hit his approach shot About seven feet. It was like good shot. You know he stands a good chance of making this putt. Just pushed it by a little bit on the left, left himself one foot and I was like all right, it's playoff time and I haven't been in a playoff in a while. So you know, just trying to mentally prepare, and I turned back to watch Mike Lit a one footer and it was like my jaw hit the floor. I was like what just happened here? Yeah, yeah, of all the dumb luck things that happens, you know, I wind up with another win. I still can't explain it.

Speaker 2: 38:12

You know and and like I said, you know, I know Mike and God bless him. I can only imagine the things that were said and the volume that was in the clubhouse afterwards.

Speaker 4: 38:24

I bought my. I bought Mike. I bought him a root beer because he was added a little bit of a drive so he didn't want to have a regular beer. I've known Mike for four years as well. Love him to death. He is a great guy. It's what all says happens. You know, I've I've had, you know, ones like that where I've just gone brain dead at the wrongs at the wrong moment and have cost myself some tournaments. But, like I said, this year has been that year where there's only really had been one tournament that I've kind of run away with. Otherwise it's been one or two shots every tournament that I've won by. So it's not, you know, I'm dominating the field, it's just coming up with what's shot, the right time, right, right, yeah, it's, you know, it's it's now, knowing that if I get in that situation, all right, be in that calm territory and be able to, all right, this is what I have to do. This is how I have to execute the shot, to put myself in a better position to win.

Speaker 2: 39:34

Yeah, and you know, just talking about Washington County as a, as a, for example. Um, so in your history you've played. You've played that one, two or four times.

Speaker 4: 39:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:45

Okay, you've shot 91 on it three times, yeah, and I think the other one was 89.

Speaker 4: 39:53

Somebody, they are 89.

Speaker 2: 39:56

I mean it was 89. I think. Just say it was 89. You know you're, you know that. That. That to me shows that's a. That's probably a good sample of you know where you're, where your game is at one one any given day. So that that course for you. You know you're going to go and shoot low nineties, right, pretty much you know every every time you go, and that again, for me that would be okay. So now, how do I go from shooting low nineties there to mid eighties? What? What do you have to do? Take Washington County as a four example. What do you, what do you need to do from going low nineties to mid eighties?

Speaker 4: 40:32

I think for myself it's to be even more accurate with my short irons. Um, you get more greens, and regulation give myself more chances at bars. Um, that would get me to that, you know, mid to low eighties. That's one thing. It's where I know that I've had some issues with where it's, you know, I'm putting the ball close to the green but not getting it on the green. So now I'm relying on chipping, you know, and hopefully getting it close to have a shot at par. Um, right, and that's really that's where my game is, as I have to be accurate on that second shot into the green to have those chances at bars, which then will get me into that range. Now I played a practice round at Glen Aaron about a month ago and I shot a 78, a legit 78 at Glen Aaron, 39, 39. I was like I just like whoa, lowest score I've ever shot in my life, um, you know. And Glenn Aaron's another one of those courses where, for whatever reason, it suits my game and I play it well.

Speaker 2: 41:54

Well, that's, that's your, your last tour in the year that you're you're local tour championship. So, um, good luck to you on that. I mean, you know, a 78 at Glen Aaron, that's a that's a good score. Yeah, I was there, that's a good score.

Speaker 4: 42:09

Yeah, I was. I was really surprised by that one. I never saw that coming. I kept looking at the scorecard going I've got a legit shot to break 80 here and then you know to actually shoot a 79 or 78. I was just, you know, amazed. That's awesome, that's cool.

Speaker 2: 42:28

Well, let's, let's change gears here for a little bit, chris. You know we've we've had a lot of interesting characters when the show, you know, as we're coming up to our, to our one year anniversary, um right, well, why don't you ask Ed um what's interesting and different about him? See, if he has any type of alter egos or anything like that that he wants to share with us?

Speaker 1: 42:52

Well, I mean, I can, I can go off. You know what, what you're showing me there. I can take a good guess, but why don't? Since this isn't a visual podcast, why don't you give us a insight on that?

Speaker 4: 43:03

So, many, many years ago, um, almost in a different life per se. Uh, I actually uh worked in professional wrestling when I had moved to walkie shop in the mid nineties. I wanted to working for a low power television station as their sports director, and one of the shows that they had on was a professional wrestling program, and so I got to meet the guys and be backstage, uh do some ring announcing for them, and it was a fun experience. I loved it. Uh, just, you know, I had I had been a fan for a number of years Um so the chance to actually get to work. You know, in the background of things, it was awesome. I was had an amazing time. Um, unfortunately, the show lost their major sponsor. Uh, there was a professional wrestler by the name of Nick Bakwinkle, former EWA world champion uh, who had a car dealership in West Alice and he was the main sponsor show while he sold, his car dealership sponsorship went away. So when, um so I was like well, you know, I got a chance to be in it for a little bit.

Speaker 4: 44:22

Fewer years later I wound up working in a television station in Green Bay and one of my coworkers uh when I said yeah, I'm, you know, I'm working through this professional wrestling outfit. We have a show in Wapaka. Uh, why don't you come to the show? And I was like, oh yeah, so drove over to Wapaka and watch the show and it turns out the promoter hadn't worked on those shows that I had worked on the television station and he immediately said, hey, I want to get you involved in this. You know, you can do our play by play on our video tapes and everything.

Speaker 4: 45:00

And I was like, yeah, I'm in Um. And then later on one night he asked me you want to do the commissioner gimmick? And I was like I saw, do it on one condition I need to take a bump, which in residence, how you take a fall Um, and it was awesome. And then, uh, eventually, uh, unbeknownst to myself, a couple of guys that I'd been working with, uh on driving with or the uh months, were talking to motor going. Hey, we need to get this guy you know, actually, as a man and uh wrestlers, you know, get them out there with guys who can't talk and he can do the talking for them. And that led to me becoming a manager. E Michael van snaa, uh, united States attorney managing a judge and a sheriff.

Speaker 4: 45:55

We call ourselves criminal justice and they put the tag team belts on us the first night, which was a sign of respect that they actually put the championships on us the first night and I had a nice little run with that. And then, uh, the guy who was doing his sheriff couldn't make a lot of the shows, so it was just judging myself and we had nice long run. And then, uh, they had a couple of guys, a couple of really big guys. One was 350 pounds, the other one was 450. Uh, and they call themselves the love brothers and they needed a manager. But they needed me to change my character.

Speaker 4: 46:33

So we went to sexy Eddie van snap. So I started coming out in a vest, no shirt, and X sports. I mean, it's, it's amazing. There's a picture and I'll have to send it to you sometime, tim uh, of me being having been put through a table. Uh, it had a show where it looks like I'd been, you know, absolutely chilled. Uh, you know, I started wrestling matches, um, and just, I had a ball that you know.

Speaker 4: 47:03

I got to play the bad guy, um, you know. So my job was to come out wild up, crowd, get beat up, send the crowd at home happy. Um, it was. It was a lot of fun. I'm still a wrestling fan to this day. Um, I was just watching AEW on TV here. I go to a lot of their shows when they're in Milwaukee, uh, watch all the pay-per-views. So I still stay in touch with it. But uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm too old and too uh broke and beat up for it. Oh, can't do it anymore. I'd love to get the retirement match and never gotten set up to steal cage. Yeah, I had so much fun with it and it was uh a really fun time.

Speaker 2: 47:48

Well, give us something in your wrestling voice horse.

Speaker 4: 47:51

Oh, you know, I keep telling to these tournaments and I keep having these Jeronis try to take me down, but they don't realize that I am the champion. I am not giving up this belt, I am going to keep taking them down. Come at me, you cannot handle the heat.

Speaker 1: 48:17

That's awesome, nice, nice.

Speaker 4: 48:20

So that is awesome. I've got a promo after all these years.

Speaker 1: 48:26

That's awesome.

Speaker 2: 48:27

Thanks so much for taking some time. I know you can bring a big crew to Hilton head with you, aren't you?

Speaker 4: 48:33

Yeah, I'm hoping so. Uh, we're trying to get a lot of guys. I've been talking to everybody to, uh, you know, get us down. You know, get as many guys as we can get down to Hilton head. Uh, you know, friday night we all gather with the Chicago guys and a couple of my friends from New Jersey. We all gather at pool bar, gyms for uh, links and and a fun time.

Speaker 4: 48:56

But, uh, you know, I'm coming down early, um, you know, cause I'm going to learn some more of the background stuff of um, running tours. Um, you know, this has been like I said at the beginning, this is really what I live for on the weekends and in really all year. Uh, because, like I said, golf week has been my home for four years. I never thought I'd have a chance to do it. Like you know, I wanted to do it about six, seven years ago, didn't have the resources at the time and then, uh, kind of looked into a good job that gave me the ability to do it. Now, well, I got sponsors. So, uh, you know, we've now converted into actual tour sponsors. So there are guys that sponsor our events and, you know, I'm bringing marketing background, uh, and a promotional background that we haven't had up here in Milwaukee in the past. Um, you know we've gotten, uh, you know we've got us back into the golf show. We got ads on the radio station top rated golf show. Uh, in the state of Wisconsin, we had ads on there. Um, I believe in this tour I, you know, we've actually had an increase of 17,. Uh, over last year we went from 54 to 71 and uh, all the new members we probably have close to 25 new members and a lot of that is the work that I've put in, uh from the golf show and uh being at the PGA tour superstore when they had their demo days, having a booth there and having uh having the radio ads and being able to promote and stuff.

Speaker 4: 50:34

And uh, I think next year I'm just going to double down on that. Uh, I need to bring more promotion and uh talking to more people to get more sponsors. I want to have every event sponsored Uh, so I can increase payouts. Uh, no, that's a big thing. I want to see guys have a chance to win more money. There's a lot of things that I'm trying to do, um to make this even better than what we have. You know we only have this short time. Uh, here on Wisconsin, you know. Yeah, winter starts next week. Yeah, the day was 100 degrees.

Speaker 4: 51:11

Yeah literally 100 degrees and I walked out of work. I'm like walking into a blast furnace. I was supposed to be 100 tomorrow as well.

Speaker 2: 51:21

Hey, Chris says we hear about hot, he doesn't know Paso. So you know.

Speaker 4: 51:25

I like war.

Speaker 4: 51:25

I mean, I love Phoenix. You know I'm hopefully at the end of the season. I have to have some procedures on my elbow. I may have to shut it down for about three months, depending on how things go. I'd love to go out to Las Vegas for the Western States icebreaker If not the Florida region regional at Innisfree. I'd love to go there. So I think I'm going to do a few more regionals, you know, next year. It's fun to go to these other cities and see how they do their things and play in these other tournaments, talk to the guys, just have a blast on it.

Speaker 2: 52:08

I think if you've got to have some stuff done in the off season, what your plan should be is just go to Hilton Head, win the national championship and then you could take some time off.

Speaker 4: 52:20

If I win the national championship it would almost be wow. You know, I've never played well in nationals and I don't know why it's. For whatever reason. I've had nine rounds at nationals and have only broken 100 once. You know, I had three practice rounds this past year and thought I was in really good shape, and then, about the fourth hole on day one, I started snap hooking everything in. It was like, oh well, here we go, Another round at nationals and I'm going to play better this year.

Speaker 2: 52:58

It happens and you know, Chris played with Brian LeFave a few weeks ago.

Speaker 4: 53:02

Yeah, brian's a good guy. You know I actually broke his and his dad, roger's, record for most wins in a career in Milwaukee. You know they had both had 10 wins. Now granted, I think some of those records are in. You did that once. Ayesha, come on.

Speaker 2: 53:22

You're going to do that in one season.

Speaker 4: 53:24

Yeah, I have a chance to actually do it in one season. You know, I came into the season with eight, you know, and my only goal was I want to get to 11. And then, now I have eight this season, I was like I'm at 16. I had to keep updating my Twitter bio. Hey, what time of win one. So now it's about 16 X.

Speaker 2: 53:48

Well, again, thanks so much for taking some time with tonight. Do me a favor Turn everybody up their ass at high, and I will can't wait to see them when they come down to Hilton.

Speaker 4: 53:57

I'm looking forward to it and I always enjoy the party that you and Jen throw on the Saturday night. Love being there and, as I said, I love you guys to death.

Speaker 1: 54:07

Well, hold on, hold on, Hold on. What. What party is this All?

Speaker 2: 54:14

So so what we do is is all the two words that we've been a part of. We. We have a party on Saturday night and, um, you know it's, it's nothing major. We just your pizza and drinks, and you know sitting around, you know shooting shit, having fun.

Speaker 4: 54:33

That's about it, yeah, so it's Chicago, st Louis, atlanta and DC, metro DC, yep, yep, that's a lot.

Speaker 1: 54:42

I'll stick to a pass. It's a lot of fun. Oh no, come on down. You know, come on down, Chris, yeah.

Speaker 4: 54:48

And even come to, even come to the Friday night party over at Pool Bar Gym. So we, you know you got that invitation.

Speaker 2: 54:56

I appreciate it. See, david's ever invited me over to that, so you know yeah, well, no, we just started that last year.

Speaker 4: 55:02

I don't know that that started. That started last year Because, like it was during your pizza party. Not a pizza. Part of that Pool Bar Gym is not a pizza party. That's a. That's a.

Speaker 1: 55:17

Tim's pizza party has. Well, I'm hoping that, david actually makes it this year.

Speaker 2: 55:21

You know, you know his wives do right around the time which which is a which is it's a real blessing for them.

Speaker 1: 55:27

Yes.

Speaker 2: 55:29

I'm praying everything goes well and if he, obviously I hope he comes down, but if he doesn't come down, you know it's what we'll give him a pass this year.

Speaker 4: 55:38

And I will say this about David he is a little fun guy to work with. I've learned a lot from him this year. Man, we talk usually once a week or every other week, so I've learned a lot from him about the tour and how to run things. David's a great guy, yeah, and I am really happy for him and his wife, you know, having that first child. So we'll see, we'll work, keeping the fingers crossed that you can make it. But understood, if he's not, it, yeah, we'll still give him shit.

Speaker 2: 56:11

Oh, yeah, that always All right, bud. You take care of yourself, tim, thanks again.

Speaker 4: 56:16

Chris, it is awesome to meet you as well, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season and looking forward to Hilton head again. Yeah, likewise.

Speaker 1: 56:24

I don't have to hear more of these resting stories. Oh yeah, I got tons of rest.

Speaker 4: 56:28

We'll talk.

Speaker 1: 56:30

All right, tim Ed was a great guest to get on on the show. Kind of reminded me a little bit of me when I started on tour. D-flight won a bunch of events and I didn't want to say it in our interview, but it got moved up because I had to go on a playoff. So I would have just taken second place. You know, like a champ I probably would have said it in D-Flight for nationals but I had to move up and go to see flight from our first nationals ever. So good luck to him. You know just the performance he's having is great. And you know, that surprise I didn't know. The surprise is what he used to do previous. That was pretty cool because growing up that's all I did was watch wrestling. So I'll tell you this much when we were talking and he brought that up, I immediately Googled him to see if I could find pictures, but I didn't find anything, which is probably good for him. But no, it was a great guess to have.

Speaker 2: 57:21

Yeah, and you know when you initially started that I thought you could tell me that you had a past history of professional wrestling too, and then we had to shut the whole thing down.

Speaker 1: 57:30

No, no, no, not me, but I will tell you this much it was a. It was good to have him on as a guest because it just shows what type of people all the tours have and you never know who you're going to meet or just play golf with or anything like that.

Speaker 2: 57:47

Yeah, we've got all kinds and Ed Saltzley, the earth guy he really is. And that's actually the first time I've actually heard him, his you know, his wrestling voice, his wrestling persona. I mean, I've known about it since, actually, like the first tournament that we had, you know, he talked about Abby Springs, and when I was on the first tee, you know, getting people ready to go, I asked him about his, his email address, because email address is Eve Ann Smack, so it was Eve Ann Smack, somethingcom. And I said that's kind of weird, you know, tell me about your email address. And so he said well, let me tell you a bit, tell you about it after the round so I can, so I can play and not have, yeah, and so so I've known about it for a while, but that's actually the first time I've ever heard him, heard his, his persona, which was hilarious. Yeah, I think, if we ever change our intro.

Speaker 1: 58:41

we might have to have him just intro us in, because that'd be pretty cool, yeah, I think. I think that's what we'll do. You know, I'm kind of glad you brought that up.

Speaker 2: 58:52

You know we're coming up for a one year anniversary here and, oh, probably about I'm about 30 days would be my guess. I think our first episode was like was like right around the end of September.

Speaker 1: 59:02

Yeah, I mean, we're coming up on TBC regional, and that's when you asked me if I'd be interested in doing something like this. So you know, after getting everything the ball rolling, everything like that, yeah, I would agree it's coming up pretty quickly, so you know. So that means we have to change some things.

Speaker 2: 59:15

You know, maybe they're the intro and I already changed some of the music. I don't want people to think that's the way it is. I'm using it. Yeah, so we'll change some of the intros and maybe we'll get added to. Maybe he's listening to it but he doesn't know, yet, but now he's listening to it.

Speaker 2: 59:32

Maybe he'll be our intro man as we go into next year. Yeah, I'd be down. I'd be okay with that. I think it'd be a cool way to get everything going. Yeah, so you mentioned you know we're coming up for a one year anniversary.

Speaker 1: 59:43

Yeah, I think we're going to be doing a one year anniversary, yeah, and then we're going to get everything going.

Speaker 2: 59:49

Yeah, so so you mentioned, you know we're coming up on, you know, the TPC regional. It's this weekend, man, we've got two regials left Left. Why don't you, you know, kind of fill everybody in on on TPC Scottsdale?

Speaker 1: 1:00:02

Yeah, I mean I'm excited I get to do this one every year, Something that I've been looking forward to, you know. Especially with the way I've been playing golf lately, I feel like I'm going to have a good chance. Last year I was in C-Flight, but it took second place and that's what brought me up, so can't wait to see how I can compete with the big boys now.

Speaker 2: 1:00:27

Well, you got some stiff competition. I think there's 50, some B flight players. It's a big. It's a big amount. It's pretty stacked. It's pretty stacked flight right there, I'll tell you I mean to be honest with you, with it being so hold on, hold on. I'm just looking at the roster. Real quick You've got Kevin Durant is in your.

Speaker 1: 1:00:47

Oh no, I don't know if I can, if I can deal with that. No, I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be fun, typically with this being, you know, one of the bigger ones that that there is. I'm used to having big groups, I mean like the 30s, but the 50s, hey, I'll be happy if I place top 10. I think, I think that's a good goal to go with, and then after day one, if I'm in top 10, they kind of shoot for the lead after that.

Speaker 2: 1:01:16

Yeah, and I think you probably use Joe Jasper's philosophy, you know, stay away from the big number on on the first day and and you'll put yourself in good position to make a move one day to.

Speaker 1: 1:01:28

Yeah, definitely. I mean, when I went to Dallas it was a pretty big group too, so I think that might have prepared me for what's going on. And this past weekend, you know, on my local tour we had a two day event at two different courses. So kind of get my mind ready for what we see at TPC playing two different courses on two days.

Speaker 2: 1:01:51

So which course are you on first?

Speaker 1: 1:01:55

Typically we'll start on the stadium course first, which is nice because I honestly it's a longer course for me from the T-boxes we play. So if I can just stay, you know, good short game, good shipping, one putts, two putts here and there, nothing, no big numbers on putts, I think I can stay consistent. And then the champions course is a lot shorter, so it kind of helps me get get lower in those clubs.

Speaker 2: 1:02:28

Yeah, but I think the champions course is harder. Though I mean the stadium course is long, I personally think that the champions course is a much harder course to play and get around.

Speaker 1: 1:02:39

Well, I mean it is because it's not as open as the stadium course. The stadium course is wide open. I mean I'm going to tell you you know, when you're looking at on TV it looks like it's really really tight, but once you get on those teas you can tell it's a pretty wide, open course and the champions course. You have to be disciplined on not hitting driver every hole and kind of keeping it in the middle. There's just a stretch, I'm going to tell you. There's a stretch of holes on stadium course where around that big lake that they have in the middle of the course and I seem to find that lake on every hole that touches that course, that pot. It's never failed and I'm trying not to think about it when I go this weekend, but it's always in the back of my mind and it never fails. I'll just put a sleeve of golf balls in the cart and just be ready for those stretch of holes.

Speaker 2: 1:03:35

So this is something that I was told, you know a long, long time ago. You know I used to carry two or three balls, you know. Put a couple of balls in my pocket when I go up to the tee box and that way, if I ever needed one, I had one. The pro told me he said only carry one ball, because that changes your whole mentality. That's your ball. And so take that sleeve of balls and put it back in your bag and don't even think about it, just go out and play your game, hit the ball where you want to pick your spot. Like, remember, joe says he picks a spot and Joe always hits the spot, right.

Speaker 2: 1:04:12

Hit your spot and hit your spot.

Speaker 1: 1:04:16

I'll take them in consideration. Maybe that'll change it, because good good Lord, like I need, I need help.

Speaker 2: 1:04:23

You'll be fine, I'll be fine.

Speaker 1: 1:04:25

I'm excited, though. I'm really excited. There's two fun courses to play, and I mean we're talking about you know, with all these regionals I've been able to go to this. One still has a piece of my heart, maybe because I helped Gabe run it, I don't know, but it's a lot of fun to go out there and play.

Speaker 2: 1:04:44

Yeah, and even though that the stadium course is wide open, you can hit it out in the desert if you want, but you can have some friends out there when you go out and look for the ball.

Speaker 1: 1:04:54

Oh yes, I always have my, my snake stick with me. Make sure it nothing jumps out and tries to get me.

Speaker 2: 1:05:04

Yeah, and they're the nasty kind of snakes out there too.

Speaker 1: 1:05:07

Right, right, they're no fun yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:05:10

I don't know if you saw, there was a video of a Amazon driver that was delivering a package out in Arizona and there was a rattlesnake sitting up on the porch. Oh, you know, the somebody had a ring video cam and it actually caught the snake, you know, coming up the steps and and uh, yep, and, and the Amazon driver killed it and threw it away. It's like done, yeah, time to find a new job.

Speaker 1: 1:05:40

Yep, I don't even want to deal with that. I. The second I hear something, even if it's the wind just moving a cactus around. The second I hear it. No, I'm done. Where do I drop? Or, sorry, buddy, you find it on your own cause. I ain't dealing with that, I deal with it enough year round. I don't want to have to double think about it.

Speaker 2: 1:05:59

I'm out, I'm out. I told Jen, the first time we see a snake, what our lot? We're moving, so we're moving.

Speaker 1: 1:06:09

That's like the the spider meme when somebody sees a spider, all right, burn the house down, we're done.

Speaker 2: 1:06:14

That's it. Well, you know, let's get back to Scottsdale for just for a quick second, you know. So there's, like I think, there's 182, 183, 184 players somewhere in that neighborhood. You know, and I'm sure Gabe's listening he said you get the number right, get the number right. Okay, whatever the number is, you've got a lot of players. So it's, it's pretty awesome, and you've got 28 tours represented that are going to be out in Scottsdale this coming weekend and that's a, that's a ton of players, that's a ton of ton of tours.

Speaker 3: 1:06:44

Oh yeah, I mean we've got some guys from.

Speaker 1: 1:06:47

We have some guys from Hilton head even coming out to play.

Speaker 2: 1:06:50

You got a couple of land, guys coming too.

Speaker 1: 1:06:52

Yeah, I mean it's, it's represented from all over the country, which is nice to see Because one you know, you you're the last weekends of regionals. So if you're looking for those extra full points from a visiting tour, this is one to do it. But also, you know, new York upstate we got a guy coming down from there. It's just cool to see and it's cool to meet all these people. And then you know, when you get to see them at nationals and they're like hey, do you remember me? We played at TPC and it's fun to catch up and see how the rest of your season went.

Speaker 2: 1:07:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'll be watching. I'll be following, so keep that in mind. I won't. I won't text you during the round, but I do watch. You know, I watch. I won't text you during the round, so right. But just make sure when you're on 17 or at 17, whatever the par three is there, 16, 16,. There you go. If you get a hole in one there, you need to stop what you're doing, take a picture and send it to me.

Speaker 1: 1:07:55

Oh, if I get a hole in one there, I'm jumping in that lake Like don't get it twisted, I'll be soggy the last two holes. But that's fine with me. Awesome, unless, unless it's like my second hole because we're doing shotgun and then that would that would be. I'll come back around and jump in the pool then.

Speaker 2: 1:08:13

So you know you're you're open game out. You know you got to tell Gabe to either put you, you know, start start at 1a or 10a.

Speaker 1: 1:08:22

Right, no, he usually. He usually hooks it up, but it's. It's one of those things where you, we want to get going quick because it's hot. It gets hot, real quick over there and we want to get done as quickly as possible, so we'll make it work. I'm again, I'm excited for it. I can't wait to see what happens and we'll go from there.

Speaker 2: 1:08:40

Yeah, we talked about the French lake regional a couple of weeks ago. Just a quick update on that one They've got 120 players, they're sold out as well and they have 20 tours represented. So if you, you know, if you look at at both those regionals, you know you've got somebody from almost every tour in the country is playing at one of these regionals and one, one of these last, you know, the last regional weekend of the year, right, that's probably only a handful, maybe five to 10 different cities that don't have somebody playing in there and that that, to me, is number one. That's the testament of the quality of the courses that we're playing and the dedication that our, our members, our players, have to competing at, you know, at, at these, you know, great, high end facilities.

Speaker 1: 1:09:32

Yeah, it's, it's good to see Again, I keep saying that, but it's, it's always nice to see and they're only going to get bigger. And if we you know we keep having great showings out there, you're going to play the best of the best that go to these regionals and it's going to prepare you for nationals or for any bigger tournament. You're going to play and it's a good test of your game too. You know it's they're all two day events, so it's not like if you have a bad day on on one day, you can always come back, and you think can happen in golf, especially the night, you know, the night in between, anything that happens. Somebody might go to a seafood place, have some bad seafood, and they're done for a day too. Or go party to art because they're leading after day one, and I think they got it in the bag. Anything can have. I've seen it all.

Speaker 2: 1:10:22

So we're, we're like, like, uh, uh, when the James brothers says he ate that chicken.

Speaker 1: 1:10:27

Yeah, it's a chicken. Yes, yes, anything can happen. Uh, I mean, there was one nationals where I think day three uh got to the course because I mean when you come off out of town you know your car pool and you have like four guys. So one guy drops everybody off and goes. I got dropped off and I told one of my guy, one of my tour members that happened to be there with me, said hey, I'm going to find a couch, come get me when they start rounding people up to the courts. And I literally sat on that couch for about an hour and 15 minutes, fell asleep with my hat over my face and he came and he's like all right, we're getting ready. And I went out there and I just practiced chipping while they were doing announcements, because just to get your body, why aren't they ready to go? I, anything can happen. I think I had my best round of those three days.

Speaker 2: 1:11:14

That round, uh but it's golf, it's fun.

Speaker 1: 1:11:19

Yeah, yeah, and that's where we play. The sport is to have you know. They say that one good shot that brings you back, that one round can also bring you back, and then you're stuck for the rest of your life. Exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:11:36

All right, man, we wish you the best at that and, um, you know, as always, if anybody has any questions for us, you know. Can you touch something? Email at Tim and ATC at amateur golf tournet or Chris at El Paso, at amateur golf tournet. And hope, hope, everybody enjoys that. You know that the final, uh, regional weekend of the year and you know, chris, we're, we're, heck, we're we're 45 days away from national championship lesson 45 days Actually, I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1: 1:12:08

Um, that's, that's insane. I can't believe. You know, we just talked about how quickly time flies and we're already there.

Speaker 2: 1:12:20

It, it, it's crazy. So, um, you know, if maybe, except so we can get some, some winners on and get somebody from national office to talk about the national championship and some of the updates and that sort of thing, yeah, I mean I I want to recall I think one of our first episodes was about the national championship.

Speaker 1: 1:12:39

The first couple of them Is this. So we'll we'll have to continue that, because I think that was good information. I mean we got that it was good information for people that were going for their first time. So I'll be prepared for that. Especially if it is your first time going, we'll get you some, some needed information that you might not even know about Exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:12:57

So and we, we should probably think of what we're going to do for for anniversary special. Yeah, if anybody wants to send us anniversary gifts, you know we're. You know we're, we're open, yes, so whatever you want to send us.

Speaker 1: 1:13:12

Yes, yes, whatever you want.

Speaker 2: 1:13:17

Biles of bourbon, whatever, whatever, whatever. Whatever you want to do, all right, but we travel safely and uh, let me know what's going on, and and and, if you want to, if you want to jump on a call quick and and with a with a player or winner, let me know I'm. I'm available a weekend.

Speaker 1: 1:13:35

So yeah, we'll make it work. I know I know I will hear a nonstop about how great we're doing, so I'll probably still want to do people out from there. That was good to me. Yeah, brother, we'll be safe. We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 2: 1:13:49

All right. So my best, everybody out there, we'll talk to you soon.